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Craps 5 Count Computer Simulations Part 2


Casinos will usually give back approximately 30 percent to 50 percent of a player’s theoretical loss in the form of comps (free rooms, shows, meals, cashback, match-play, etc.). Most casinos judge craps players as playing against an approximately 2-3 percent house edge; in such cases, the 5-Counter received enough in comps to push his expectation into the positive monetary zone.

However, since our players were only placing the 6 and 8, it is possible that a casino rater, seeing this, would only rate the theoretical loss at 1.5 percent of what was wagered. In this case, the 5-Counter did not always get into the positive zone utilizing comps. Remember that the casino rates a 5-Counter as having played every shooter. Here are estimates I did of what the comp situation looks like for a Bet-All and a 5-Counter given various percent returns and theoretical vs. actual losses as factors:
Player’s Theoretical Loss: 3 percent of all money wagered; comps are 30 percent of theoretical loss. I used the “palatable” figures so that it would be clearer.

    Theoretical Loss Actual Loss Comp Value Monetary Exception $187.50 $56.10 $38.90
$38.90   $95.00 $56.10 $38.90        
The 5 Counter $187.50 $41.00 $56.10 +$15.10        

Player’s Theoretical Loss: 3 percent of all money wagered; comps are 40 percent of theoretical loss.

    Theoretical Loss Actual Loss Comp Value Monetary Exception
Bet-All Player $187.50 $95.00 $75.00 -$20.00  
The 5 Counter $187.50 $41.00 $75.00 +$34.00  


Player’s Theoretical Loss: 3 percent of all money wagered; comps are 50 percent of theoretical loss.

    Theoretical Loss Actual Loss Comp Value Monetary Exception
Bet-All Player $187.50 $95.00 $93.78 -$1.22  
The 5 Counter $187.50 $41.00 $93.78 +$53.78  


Player’s Theoretical Loss: 2 percent of all money wagered; comps are 30 percent of theoretical loss.

    Theoretical Loss Actual Loss Comp Value Monetary Exception
Bet-All Player $125.04 $95.00 $37.51 -$57.49  
The 5 Counter $125.04 $41.00 $37.51 -$3.49  


Player’s Theoretical Loss: 2 percent of all money wagered; comps are 40 percent of theoretical loss.

    Theoretical Loss Actual Loss Comp Value Monetary Exception
Bet-All Player $125.04 $95.00 $50.00 -$45.00  
The 5 Counter $125.04 $41.00 $50.00 +$9.00  

Player’s Theoretical Loss: 2 percent of all money wagered; comps are 50 percent of theoretical loss.

    Theoretical Loss Actual Loss Comp Value Monetary Exception
Bet-All Player $125.04 $95.00 $62.52 -$32.48  
The 5 Counter $125.04 $41.00 $62.52 +$21.52  

Player’s Theoretical Loss: 1.5 percent of all money wagered; comps are 30 percent of theoretical loss.

    Theoretical Loss Actual Loss Comp Value Monetary Exception
Bet-All Player $125.04 $95.00 $28.50 -$66.50  
The 5 Counter $125.04 $41.00 $28.50 +$12.50*  

Player’s Theoretical Loss: 1.5 percent of all money wagered; comps are 40 percent of theoretical loss.

    Theoretical Loss Actual Loss Comp Value Monetary Exception
Bet-All Player $95.00 $95.00 $38.00 -$57.00  
The 5 Counter $95.00 $41.00 $38.00 -$3.00*  

Player’s Theoretical Loss: 1.5 percent of all money wagered; comps are 50 percent of theoretical loss.
Theoretical Loss Actual Loss Comp Value Monetary Expectation
Bet-All Player: $95.00 $95.00 $47.50 - $47.50
The 5-Counter: $95.00 $41.00 $47.50 +$ 6.50

    Theoretical Loss Actual Loss Comp Value Monetary Exception
Bet-All Player $95.00 $95.00 $47.50 -$47.50  
The 5 Counter $95.00 $41.00 $47.50 +$6.50  

As we can see, the 5-Counter only faces a monetary disadvantage in casinos that rate the game as having a 1.5 percent to 2 percent edge with a 30 percent comp giveback and in games that are rated 1.5 percent with a 40 percent giveback. The most the 5-Counter is down is $12.50 in the latter game.

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